Prompt: Based on Ch. 4 of the Zinn book, who stood to benefit from independence? The rich elites or the ordinary colonists? Why? Cite evidence from the chapter. Respond in 3-4 sentences. You will have till Friday night to respond to one other person.
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Zinn Ch. 4 Tyranny is Tyranny
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Prompt: Based on Ch. 4 of the Zinn book, who stood to benefit from independence? The rich elites or the ordinary colonists? Why? Cite evidence from the chapter. Respond in 3-4 sentences. You will have till Friday night to respond to one other person.
Prompt: Based on Ch. 4 of the Zinn book, who stood to benefit from independence? The rich elites or the ordinary colonists? Why? Cite evidence from the chapter. Respond in 3-4 sentences. You will have till Friday night to respond to one other person.
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Here is mine then:
ReplyDeleteJose Zamora
Period 3
10/5/15
Based on chapter 4 the rich elites took the benefit from the independence because they took over land, profits, and political power from favorites of the British empire. Zinn believed that the founding fathers were rich elites too, that wanted to defeat the British empire without having anything to disturb their power. A good quote that supports my case is "In America, too, the reality behind the words of the Declaration of Independence (issued in the same year as Adam Smith's capitalist manifesto, The Wealth of Nations) was that a rising class of important people needed to enlist on their side enough Americans to defeat England, without disturbing too much the relations of wealth and power that had developed over 150 years of colonial history."
Fabiola Corral
DeleteI would have to agree with you, Jose, because the rich elites did and look liked they gained the most from independence. Your support was really good in my opinion because you provided some background.
I second that, I have to agree with you Jose and I loved how you supported your statement with background information. Good job, I'm proud of you son!
DeleteCristobal Magana
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October 5, 2015
Mrs. Ramirez
Tyranny is Tyranny
Based on Ch. 4 of the Zinn book, the rich elites were the ones who stood tall and benefited from the independence of 1776. They were able to take over land and they also took political power from the British Empire. The author, Howard Zinn believed that the founding fathers were rich elites as well, which defeated the British Empire without having anything to disturb the power that the British Empire had in general. “The establishment of parliamentary supremacy, of the rule of law, no doubt mainly benefited the men of property (pg74).” The quote shows how the rich elites benefited from the independence.
Jose Zamora
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Yes I agree with your response Cristobal because Zinn argues that the rich elites were the once with the advantage. They took land and political power from the British empire. Why else would the rich founding fathers seek independence if they didn't get any advantages of their own.
Rosalina Castro
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The rich elites stood to benefit from Independence. They benefited from the independence because even before and after independence there was still hierarchy. For example the rich could avoid being drafted into the military yet the poor had to serve, the poor's anger was also channeled and used by the rebels against the British. After the revolution it was the elite who got to make the rules that sometimes did not benefit the poor for example in some states people who did not own property could not vote.
“In America, too, the reality behind the words of the Declaration of Independence...was that a rising class of important people needed to enlist on their side enough Americans to defeat England, without disturbing too much the relations of wealth and power that had developed over 150 years of colonial history. Indeed, 69 percent of the signers of the Declaration of Independence had held colonial office under England” -Zinn
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DeleteMariarlene Becerra
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Reply: I agree with your argument, Rosalina, because the rich elites were the one who benefitted from independence. Your example and support statements are precise and on point, showing and proving that riches elites stood to benefit from independence. Although, some people may disagree, with both you and I, your idea and point of view can be supported with all sorts of evidence there is.
I agree with you Rosie because the wealthy did stand benefited. The poor were denied their right to vote and did not gain any advantage from the independence. They stood the same situation with no benefits.
DeleteAngel Garcia
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Based on chapter 4 of the zinn book the rich elites would benefit from the independence, as colonists were realizing that the rich part of the population controlled the vast majority of the tax assets. Riots of both low and middle class citizens sparked across the nation, burning down houses and stealing their belongings. To relieve the tensions many of the low and middle class population were pursuaded to shift their anger and fight the British causing all riots and protests to stop giving the rich some breathing room. "This was to find language inspiring to all classes, specific enough in its listing of grievances to charge people with anger against the British, vague enough to avoid class conflict among the rebels, and stirring enough to build patriotic feeling for the resistance movement"(68).
I agree with Angel's claim because the anger towards the elitists was easily redirected. They weren't targets after the war was beginning. The elitists often exacerbated the situation, but they were not being punished or targeted as they were before. It wasnt fair for the lower classes because they suffered the most and yet the elitists benefited the most before AND after the Revolutionary War.
DeleteConsuelo Márquez
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The rich benefitted from independence from the British. As the excerpt below says, the rich were able to get the poor to do their bidding, whether in a physical, political, or economic sense. This fact never changes after independence is won, so its obvious that the rich still have their power regardless of the political situation at the time. "We here have a forecast of the long history of American politics, the mobilization of lower class energy by upper class politicians, for their own purposes." (pg. 57)
i agree with Consuelo because even after independence is won, the poor were still in control by the rich. An example of this could be the 3/5th compromise where slaves (the poor) would be used to increase the population of the state even though they have no political power or voice of their own
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ReplyDeleteWilly Ortiz
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In chapter 4 of "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn rich elites stood to benefit from independence. In paragraph 1 of page 59 Zinn states," They found that by creating a nation, a symbol, a legal unity called the United States, they could take over land, profits, and political power from favorite of the British Empire" this shows the power the elite rich had under the independence. Also in pg73 paragraph 3 the declaration talks about the political rights and government but ignore inequalities with property. They also state," and how could people truly have equal rights, with stark differences in wealth?" clearly this shows beneficial to rich elites.
I agree with willy because it benefited the rich elites therefore they were able to get more power also did not go through the tragedies that the poor people had to go through
DeleteAdaneth Jasso
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Per. 5
The rich elites benefited most from independence. They took over land and political power. The rich were able to escape many “tragedies” that the poor couldn’t, mainly being used to serve. Even after fighting for independence, the rich still have power over the poor. As Zinn rewrites Christopher Hill’s quote on The Puritan Revolution, “The establishment of parliamentary supremacy, of the rule of law, no doubt mainly benefited the men of property.” (pg74).
Hi Adaneth, I agree with you on the fact that the rich elites benefited from this because like you stated the rich elites were able to take over land and gain power and did not have to go through the tragedies dat the poor did.
DeleteJessica Torres
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10/5/15
The rich elites stood to benefit from British independence as stated in chapter four of the Zinn book. The mobilization of lower-class energy by upper-class politicians, for their own purposes has been a part of American history for a long period of time. An example from the test that supports my claim regarding the manipulation of the lower class would be, “This is Gary Nash's description of Otis, who, he says, "keenly aware of the declining fortunes and the resentment of ordinary townspeople, was mirroring as well as molding popular opinion." (p.43)
I agree with Jessica's assertion because the upper class did receive more recognition throughout the years in suppose to the other classes. The examples you give is an exact source of evidence of how this claim was seen.
DeleteLindsey Delgado
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Based on Ch. 4 of the Zinn book, who stood to benefit from independence were the elites. They took over land and the government's power as well. Before and after the independence the lower class still stood in poverty and did not receive a benefited outcome on their lives. As Zinn states, "And how could people truly
have equal rights, with stark differences in wealth? "(pg 69).
I agree with what you said because it is true. The poor were not receiving what they deserve through all their hard work and all the wealth they made was only going to the rich.
DeleteAllison Lepe
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Based on chapter 4 of the Zinn book, the rich elites stood to benefit from independence. Rich elites had the upper-hand in the vast majority of issues that were taking place and had a stronger voice. However, the common colonist was used according to the liking of the wealthy, and taken advantage in certain aspects. For example, the common colonists virtually followed the rich elite's commands, but in return were prohibited from certain privileges. "They held annual celebrations of the first anti-Stamp Act demonstration, to which they invited, according to Hoerder, not the rioters but 'mainly upper and middle-class Bostonians,who traveled in coaches and carriages to Roxbury or Dorchester for opulent feasts." (Page 66)
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DeleteI agree with Allison's response because the rich were taking advantage of the lower social classes. With money comes power, and the rich elites had a bigger voice at the time. Many lower and middle class citizens followed the rich elites commands.
DeleteI concur with this response for different reasons. The main one being because it is supported by what seem to be facts. Another reason is because the colonists were being taken advantage of. The rich elites proposed few benefits as a result of their support; while the colonists received these few, almost nonexistent benefits, the rich elites benefitted much better than the colonists as a result of their support.
DeleteFabiola Corral
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Although the original colonists believed in creating a nation with a symbol and a legal unity, the rich elites would most benefit from independence. As it says in the first paragraph in chapter 4 “they can take over land, profits, and political power from favorites of the British Empire. In the process, they could hold back a number of potential rebellions and create a consensus of popular support for the rule of a new, privileged leadership.” According to Zinn, many lower class people were furious with the rich elites, there was even a question stating “Could class hatred be focused against the pro-british elite, and deflected from the nationalist elite?” But either way the founders found a way to convince them that they were still going to lead and do things that support their own interests. Therefore, the rich elite will benefit from independence and tyranny will be tyranny. :)
fabiola i agree with you on how the colonists believed in creating a new nation. although the middle class were furious it still made a difference on the impact :)
DeleteSamuel Garcia
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In chapter 4 of "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn, the ones who benefited the most were the rich elites. The elite had political power as well as property. This is gave them a huge advantage in politics. As Zinn restates, “The establishment of parliamentary supremacy, of the rule of law, no doubt mainly benefited the men of property.” (pg74).
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DeleteI agree with Samuel's response because it exemplifies on why the rich elites would benefit the most from independence. The rich elites owned property which gave them an upperhand and advantage in several aspects.
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ReplyDeleteManuel Ayala
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Based on chapter 4 of the Zinn Book, the rich elites benefited from independence rather than the ordinary colonists. Paragraph 1 of the fourth chapter states, "They found that by creating a nation, a symbol, a legal unity called the United States, they could take over land, profits, and political power from favorites of the British Empire" (42 PDF). The wealthy landowners and businessmen (rich elite) had something to gain from separating from Great Britain and increase in population made the rich elites wealthier and brought poverty to the ordinary colonists.
Cristobal Magana
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10-9-15
I agree with Manuel’s response because the rich elites were the ones that benefited from the independence. His evidence to his response is detailed and backs up his response as well. He is also correct on the outcome of gaining independence such as an increase in population for the rich elites or upper class.
Evelyn Ramirez
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The rich elites benefited from the Independence. They had a say in everything that was going on and were considered the important piece of the puzzle compared to the poor. "The rich turned out, could avoid the draft by paying for substitutes, the poor had to serve," shows how the poor did not benefit one bit from independence. Meanwhile, the rich were allowed to avoid certain circumstances because of their wealth.
I agree with Evelyn because through out the chapter it restates that the rich elites were the ones influenced most positively.
DeleteI agree with Evelyn's statement because the rich did benifit with a lot and had a say in everything the way they wanted it, they had it better than the poor ever did.
DeleteIt is without a doubt that the wealthy upper class individuals in the colonies benefited the most from the newly gained independence. No matter what situation the colonists were in, those in power not only kept said power, but continued to increase their control. Those who did not own property could not vote in government, leading to most of the political decisions being based upon aristocratic ideals. “The establishment of parliamentary supremacy, of the rule of law, no doubt mainly benefited the men of property.”(pg. 74)
ReplyDelete“The rich, it turned out, could avoid the draft by paying for substitutes; the poor had to serve.”(pg.75)
To Mr. Serna,
DeleteI certainly agree with your statement because Zinn includes the unfairness and discrimination that the poor have to face. Especially in politics where they have many difficulties to the access of government and decide what the general public actually needs and wants.
Sincerely,
Mr. Lin
Rodolfo Reyes (Rudy)
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Per.3
Based on the zen book chapter 4 the rich elites benefited the most from the American Revolution due to the fact that the rich elites were restrict previously, but now that they became independent they can do their business legally. As it states in the zen book in chapter 4, " they could take over land, profit and political power...When we look at the American Revolution this way, it was a work of genius," that goes to show how little the American Revolution was for the good of the people. The American Revolution was a great way for the rich to stay rich and the poor to stay poor, not to much equality being created. ����
Deletei agree with you (rudy) because the rich american elites grew in power and wealth meanwhile the poor men stayed poor and grew even more oppressed after the american revolution.
Based on chapter 4 of “A People’s History of the United States”, written by Howard Zinn, the wealthy elites were the ones that were set to benefit the most from independence. They were already in a position of power, so independence would only add to that power, whereas the ordinary colonists didn’t have very much to begin with, and the benefits they would gain from independence would be limited. The elites knew they didn’t really have that much to lose, but much to gain, like a political power, land, and profits. The elites even used the ordinary colonists to benefit them.
ReplyDelete- “They[rich elites] found that by creating a nation, a symbol, a legal unity called the United States, they could take over land, profits, and political power from favorites of the British Empire”(Zinn, Paragraph 1).
- “In the countryside, where most people lived, there was a similar conflict of poor against rich, one which political leaders would use to mobilize the population against England, granting some benefits for the rebellious poor, and many more for themselves in the process” (Zinn, Paragraph 20).
Stephanie Jimenez
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I agree with your argument because, like you said, the rich elite already held a position of power over the colonists. This made it easier for them to add to that power through their long-awaited independence from Britain. Your quotes correctly exemplify your statement and they made it easier for me to agree with your point of view. Good job!
Francisco Montalvo
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10/5/15
The rich elites benefitted the most from the independance.They would get the land and they wouldn't have to pay taxes.The rich elites will also be able to sell goods to other country other than Britian and they would also be able to buy goods for cheaper since the british merchants won't be only seller
The war had brought glory for the generals, death to the privates, wealth for the merchants,
unemployment for the poor.Gary Nash's study of city tax lists shows that by the early 1770s, the top 5 percent of
Boston's taxpayers controlled 49% of the city's taxable assets. In Philadelphia and New York
too, wealth was more and more concentrated
Cesar Diaz
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October 5 2015
The people that stood to gain the most from independence in the colonies from England were the rich elites that owned most of everything in the colonies. Rich elites gained land and wealth with independence. "By the early 1770s the top 5 percent of Boston's taxpayers controlled 49% of the city's taxable assets" (pg 60).This shows how much the rich elites ruled over the rest and how much they can gain by claiming independence
I agree because the elites were the ones who gained the most from independence. They benefited by getting wealth land and adding higher taxes whenever they felt like it. The poor had to go through a lot of cruel things because of the independence.
DeleteLupita Sosa
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In chapter of the Zinn book, the rich elites were the ones that benefited from independence because even from the start they were able to take land and political power from the British. They were able to avoid problems that the poor had to go through, and after gaining independence the rich still had more power over the poor which made everything easier for them. “The establishment of parliamentary supremacy, of the rule of law, no doubt mainly benefited men of property”(p.74). The quote shows how the rich benefited from independence do to the social rank they were in.
Marilyn Moncada
DeleteI agree with your statement about Zinn's argument because he did mention how many of the Founders were British officials pre-revolution. Accustomed to their ranks in society, these men seeked power in the newly independent country and were able to do so by having a favorable appeal in the people of America.
Crystal Franco
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I agree with your statement because the rich were able to do as they please and without British control they were able to do more with much less to lose
Kevin Valenzuela
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The rich elites were in Favor of gaining independence. Althought the lower to middle class tried to fight back by destroying many homes of the wealthy after being opressed by the rich and powerful, they had too much in control. After the independence, the rich elite had more power with even less to lose. Because they no longer had to pay taxes or mercantilism from the British, the wealthy Americans could sell their own products to gain more money. (Pg 61)
I agree with your statement and the fine points you have made regarding this prompt. It is without a doubt that the rich elites received an increase of power and wealth, while the lower class suffered many of the negative effects of the revolution.
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ReplyDeletePaola Rabago
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It is clearly stated that the rich elites benefitted independence from British. It gave them political power and numerous profit over their lands. "They found that by creating a nation, a symbol, a legal unity called United States, they could take over land, profits and political power from favorites of the British Empire." pg59. The rich had many advantages unlike any of the ordinary colonists due to the fact that the had no say or power to anything. This act infuriated the colonists, however there was nothing much that could be done.
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DeleteJennifer Marquez
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Based on chapter 4 from the Zinn book, the rich elites were the ones who benefited the most from the new gained independence. This is because they took over most of the land and where the ones who controlled the colonists and their capital. Although the elites were already in great power to begin with, the new independence just added greater political and economic power. "The rich, it turned out, could avoid the draft by paying for substitutes; the poor had to serve." The rich elites used their money to avoid problems like these, which angered the colonists due to its inequality.
Jazive quinonez
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I strongly agree with Jennifer, the colonist did take controlled of the lands to benefit them. The rich didn't pay as much as the poor, their for they had more gains,the econimic for the poor was very bad also due to taxation.
I agree with your post Jennifer. The elites did benefit the most from the newly gained independence. The poor were constantly being taxed which sent them lower into debt.
DeleteBryan Vasquez
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Based on chapter 4. Tyranny is Tyranny by Howard Zinn the rich elites would benefit the most out of the independce in 1776.The rich elites were mostly in control as they they had full control of the British Empire.They were also able to have more benefits as the colonists would end up paying taxes and having no say due to their type of class low or middle.Then in a later year resulted in the burning of representatives houses.As this continued Patrick Henry believed to relieve tension between upper and lower classes to form a bound against the British.
Braulio Romero
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In the Zinn book the rich got the most benefits then the regular people they got land and in this paragraph " to give more free reign to business" I'm not sure what paragraph since I read off the internet but it saying give things to business the business are the rich people they are getting money out of that and the rich were already high power and when they got independent they got even more powerful.They benefitted in a lot of way
Savage af
DeleteI agree with Mr. Lin.
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Pg.68 and 74
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ReplyDeleteDiva Khinda
Period 5
Oct 5, 2015
Mrs. Ramirez
Tyranny Is Tyranny
Based on Ch. 4 from the Zinn book it shows that the rich elites benefited from the independence because they took lots of land and power from British Empires. They thought that by creating a new nation they can take over land. The rich were able to get the poor people to do their binding, whether it was physical or common sense. In page 73 paragraph 3 it clearly shows that the declaration talks about political rights and government but ignores the inequalities with property. “We hold these truths to he self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable Rights, that among these are Life, Liberty and the pursuit of Happiness” this quote shows how the declaration shows the creator with equal rights.
Ii completely agree with you Diva, because the rich did have it made for them when America's independence was official and the war had been won by the Patriots. The aristocrats were set to have automatic power once the British were gone, for they had power when the British monarchy governed the 13 Colonies.
DeleteValerie Ayala
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Howard Zinn allows the reader to understand that in chapter 4 of "A people's history of the United States" rich elites from the colonies benefitted the most from the independence of 1776. The rich elites benefitted because they held political and property power over the poor of the colonies. As a matter of fact, the rich elites held a hierarchy even before the separation. In paragraph 1 of chapter 4, it states that "They found that by creating a nation, a symbol, a legal unity called the United States, they could take over land, profits, and political power from favorites of the British Empire".
I agree with your statement because the rich elites did benefit the most, politically and by the increase of power over the colonies. In fact that quote you used is great example of your statement.
DeleteMariarlene Becerra
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It is without a doubt that based on the reading in chapter 4, Tyranny is Tyranny, rich elites stood to benefit from independence. As stated by an English historian, Christopher Hill, “The establishment of parliamentary supremacy, of the rule of law, no doubt mainly benefited the men of property(p74).” His proclaim supports, how the richest elites continued maintaining an overriding strong and powerful position in America, even after independence. In the colonies of America money meant power, and power meant, you did as you pleased. Unfortunately, the rich could avoid being drafted into the military by paying for substitutes, angering and frustrating the poor colonist who had to serve, no matter the excuse. Enforcing the colonists to riot and shout: “Tyranny is Tyranny let it come from whom it may.” Indeed, revealing that even the colonists recognized the cruel and oppressive government, that leaned towards the rich elites.
I agree with you Mary the rich elites did stand to benefit from independence because as you stated " In the colonies of America money meant power, and power meant, you did as you pleased."
DeleteSerina Barba
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The rich elites would benefit most from the revolution, for they would be the individuals running the future government of the future United States of America. The rich had already held high positions of power before the war, therefore, it is inevitable that they would continue to remain in power and also grow in power, as well. With the British gone, and owning practically most of the properties in the Colonies, with the British gone the aristocrats would be able to expand geographically and economically, benefitting both the rich and the other social classes. Unfortunately, although majority of the benefits of independence would come to the rich, the poor will suffer. The author writes, “The rich it,turned out, could avoid the draft by paying for substitutes; the poor had to serve.”(Zinn 75), this is exemplifies the meaning of a rich man’s war and a poor man’s fight. Independence would be built and one off of the backs of the poor and the rich will claim it.
I agree with you Serina , without doubt the rich elites benefited the most after the revolution. As a matter affect they always had as you stated they did always played a major role in the British economy claiming what ever they pleased .
DeleteJazive Quinonez
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October 5,2015
Based on chapter 4 of the Zin book, the rich elites took the most benefit of the Independence of 1776. They took over land, political power from the British empire and they had profits. The poor didn't take much as the rich did, " and how could people truly have equal rights with stark differences in wealth." (pg.69) is a good example to show that the rich always had more than a poor.
Benefiting from independence would definitely be the wealthy, because in every aspect from politics to economics the elite would have an advantage over the remaining colonists. The establishment of an absolute tyranny over the states still being expressed by the wealthy class of the the American colonies. The elite already had the advantage before the the independence, but with it the American colonies were still not actually "a freely independent society." - "A report by colony officials to England said that this was part of a larger scheme in which the houses of fifteen rich people were to be destroyed, as part of "a War of Plunder" of general leveling and taking away the distinction of rich and poor."(pg.61)
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10/8/2015
I agree with Maria's claim because it exemplifies the overall purpose of chapter 4, which is to essentially state that the independence was definitely beneficiary to the rich elite. She established the absolute tyranny expressed by the wealthy class of the American colonies efficiently with a greatly effective example from the text.
The ones that benefited from the independence
ReplyDeletewere the elites. The reason why I think the elites
were more benefited because they had political
power and land but mainly political power.
"Government are instituted among men,
deriving their just powers from the consent of
the governed"(Zinn,71). Which means that only white
Wealthy men have power.
Henry
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I agree with your answer. However, what other benefits did the wealthy get from the Independence? What can you say about this quote, "Lockc's Second Treatise, talked about
government and political rights, but ignored the existing inequalities in property". Could this quote be meant to say, even if the people are free their finances will never be equal.
Henry Toribio
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In the Zinn book the rich gained the most benefits because 69 percent of the signers of the declaration of independence were under the colonial office of England. Meaning the people who signed the declaration had power. For example, “the reality behind the words of the Declaration of Independence (issued in the same year as Adam Smith's capitalist manifesto, The Wealth of Nations)". The wealth and power had built up over 150 years of history and the Americans were careful not to fall under temptation. It would benefit colonist by giving them limited to life, Liberty, and happiness. However the wealth and power would differ from each other.
I would have to agree with you Henry Toribio the rich did gain most of the benefits.I would also have agree with your claim about the Declaration of Independence.The reason being was for it being one of the most important events which occurred in this chapter.The explanation you provided with the following was clear and understandable.
DeleteMr. Lin
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October 5, 2015
As independence was declared, a sense of unfairness emerged among the ordinary colonists of the newly founded nation, and a series of riots revolted against the upper class, simply to demand for an equal opportunity with the rich. As a matter of fact, the rich elites had already dominated the poor in economic strength, manpower, and political privileges for decades before the revolution; hence, their voice can easily influence the government to make decisions to favor their greed, as to gain lands beyond the Appalachian Mountains or avoid the military draft. On the other hand, the general public, or the poor, have no authority, says or any means of political privileges that will grant them the same rights as the rich; they were obligated to serve their country against the British.
“Around 1776, certain important people in the English colonies… found that by creating a nation, a symbol, a legal unity… they could take over land, profits, and political power…” (page 59)
“had an equitable Title but could not be defended in a Course of Law because they were poor and… poor men were always oppressed by the rich.” (page 63)
“...the Boston Committee of Correspondence ordered the townsmen to show up on the Common for a military draft. The rich, it turned out, could avoid the draft by paying substitutes; the poor had too serve.” (page 75)
Oscar Flores
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10/9/15
The factual evidence provided definitely gave your statement more credibility. As a result, I concur with your opinion, great work!
Dr. Grenades
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10/5/15
The rich elite were going to benefit the most from becoming
independent because they would no longer have the laws, taxes, and identity placed upon them by the British. Zinn states “they found that that by creating a nation, a symbol, a legal unity called the United States, They could take over land, profits, and political power from favorites of the British Empire” (59). The elite had it in their best interest to make sure that they became independent.
I very much agree with your statement about the wealthy colonists being without restrictions. Since political offices were mainly consisted of wealthy colonials,( George Washington becoming first U.S president)they the upper-class had the ability to pass taxes that would benefit their businesses.
DeleteCrystal Franco
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The rich elites had benefitted from their independence from Britain. "...the American leadership was less in need of English rule, the English more in need of the colonists' wealth."It was established years before that the rich elites didn't need the British control as much as the British needed them.The rich elites didn't have to worry about taxes, they could take away the land of the low and middle classes. They had more power and control over the colonists who didn't have many rights. This angered the original colonists which caused many problems amongst the elites and colonists.
I agree with you because the elites did indeed benefit a lot from their independence, and in the book it does mention how the British needed them rather than the other way around.
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ReplyDeleteJovani Ruiz
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Based on Ch. 4 of the Zinn book, the rich elites were the ones who emerged superior and benefited from the independence of 1776. The rich elites had taken over most of the land and had voice in governing over the ordinary colonists. These rich elites also included the Founding fathers. In the quote, “The establishment of parliamentary supremacy, of the rule of law, no doubt mainly benefited the men of property “(P.g 74) clearly shows that men who owned property were benefited without a doubt from parliamentary supremacy.
The inclusion of the statement that the rich elites had voice in governing system is excellent, the reason i believe this is because even today, in 2015, this is a very relevant statement, due to the fact that the most well funded politicians are often the most popular in the United States, very factual response with lots of meaning, excellent work.
DeleteJacquelinne Aguilar
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Based on chapter 4 of the Zinn book, the rich elite benefited the most from the independence. This is because the rich elite took over land, profits, and political power from the British Empire and also they had a say on everything that was going on. A quote that supports my opinion is “In America, too, the reality behind the words of the Declaration of Independence was that a rising class of important people needed to enlist on their side enough American to defeat England, without disturbing too much relation of wealth and power that had developed over 150 years of colonial history.”(pg.74)
Adriana Morales
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Based on the chapter 4 of the Zinn book the elites were the bones that benefited from independence. As stated in by Zinn, "The rich, it turned out, could avoid the draft by paying for substitutes; the poor had to serve' " there was an injustice between the social classes. The rich such as landowners or business men brought the ordinary colonists down economically. (The PDF I used for my quote didn't have pages)
Reply: I agree with jackies response because it's true that they benefitted from the independence by getting wealthy.They did take over lands they had so much more power than any other like slaves.
DeleteRicardo magana
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10/5/15
The rich elite definitely benefited the most out of the independence. They acquired the land that was use to be owned by the british. They also gained power over the poor colonies. The ordinary colonists "had an equitable tide but could not be defended in a course of law because they were poor and, poor men were always oppressed by the rich". The rich started to govern the colonies after the independence.
I do agree with your response because the elites did benefited from independence. The rich did have more than the poor because the rich would take advantage.
DeleteJose Meza
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10/5/15
Based on Chapter four of Howard Zinn’s A People’s History of the United States, I can come to the conclusion that the financially elite benefitted from the American Revolution more so than the common people of the thirteen colonies. There are multiple examples from the text that can prove this statement to be true, but one in particular, stands out to me. John Locke, an inspiration for American independence was a wealthy land and slave owner himself, who himself himself suggested a “government of slaveowners run by wealthy land barons” to the Carolina, ensuring the wealthy would not only become prominent in the newly independent America, but would have complete control over the entire country.
Quote on pg.) 73
Maria Vega
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October 5, 2015
Based on Ch. 4 of the Zinn book, the rich elites benefited independence of 1776 from British. The rich were able to take over land and they controlled their colonists and capital. "They found that by creating a nation, a symbol, a legal unity called the United States, they could take over land, profits, and political power" (p.59). This quote clearly states that the rich would always have more than the other classes which caused to make the colonists furious.
I agree with Maria's response because the elites were the ones who benefited from independence. The rich always had more benefits than the poor ever did. They had control of lands and profits while the poor didn't have much.
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The rich elite benefitted from independence because they were able to take over as much land as they pleased. They had no worries also because they had complete power of British Empire, meaning there was no way or nothing that could overrule them. "Society in every state is a blessing, but government even in its best state is but a necessary evil." (Pg.69 par1) I believe that the "society" is basically explaining the rich elites against the poor saying that even though a "state" may have some rights or freedom there is still some bad to its government.
Oscar Valdovinos
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In chapter 4 from “A people’s History” by Howard Zinn, the wealthy colonials benefitted most from the American Revolution. This is because businessmen in the United States were limited to a certain market, due to the Navigation Acts. These businessmen would be allowed to trade with anyone (increase their potential profits) they desire if the colonies become independent from the British.
"They found that by creating a nation, a symbol, a legal unity called the United States, they could take over land, profits, and political power from favorites of the British Empire" (Pg 59).
I do agree with your statement, the wealthy colonists did benefit the most with the navigation acts. It gave them the desire and opportunity to increase their potential profits. the quote you chose was really good and it demonstrated what you responded.
DeleteStephanie Jimenez
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October 5, 2015
In chapter 4 of "A People's History of the United States" by Howard Zinn, the rich elites were described to have benefited the most out of independence, as opposed to the ordinary colonists. Zinn writes, “Around 1776, certain important people in the English colonies… found that by creating a nation, a symbol, a legal unity called the United States, they could take over land, profits, and political power from favorites of the British Empire” (page 42). They would no longer abide by the laws and demands of the British. They were also free to expand their land and increase their political/economical power.
I definitely agree with your statement. The abolishment of the British rule over the colonies opened up spots for the people in the political offices. It was inevitably going to be the rich elites to play major roles in the government.
DeleteThe rich elite definitely stood to benefit from independence. The had almost complete control over the colonist and became very wealthy over time. The rich elite had a system going which was "keeping the people poor in order to make them humble" (pg. 61). The rich elite made acts like the "Stamp Act" to make colonist pay taxes to keep them selves wealthy. Although there were very few wealthy people they still had great power over the colonists.
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In chapter 4 it shows how the rich elite stood to benefit from the independence because they took power of the British Empire. The rich elites didn’t have to worry about taxes they pretty much had everything in control. They all had so much control over all colonist in which colonist didn’t have a lot of rights. “Whose highest study is the promotion of their wealth,” (pg.63) basically shows that the rich benefited from the independence most likely they ruled over.
I do agree on your statement because it's mentioning that how well you are educated thats how wealthy you might be and that is true because the rich elite were well educated and knew much and they were wealthy and powerful.
DeleteI agree because the colonists didn't have a lot of rights and British empire had wanted everything and wanted rule and they were against each other to see who was more wealthy .
DeleteCarlos Garcia
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10/5/15
In accordance to chapter 4, many of the rich elites were the ones who were to benefit more from independence. This is evidenced on page 62, paragraph 5 “…where most people lived, there was a similar conflict of poor against rich, one which political leaders would use to mobilize the population against England, granting some benefits for the rebellious poor, and many more for themselves in the process.” The rich elites as political leaders presented a few benefits to the colonists, so that if they were to agree and support, they (the rich elite) would also benefit from their support of independence.
Jovani Ruiz
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I disagree because you do not provide enough evidence as to why the rich elite benefited off Independence. If you were to state a few more quotes and explain what those quotes are saying that`ll make your response more agreeable with me.
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ReplyDeleteOn Ch. 4 of the Zinn book the rich elites stood to benefit from independence. They benefited from the independence because they could take over land, profits, and political power.
“A witness at a rebel leader's trial in New York in 1766 said that the farmers evicted by the landlords "had an equitable Tide but could not be defended in a Course of Law because they were poor and . . . poor men were always oppressed by the rich.
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I do agree with your essential claim Alondra. The "rich elites" we're the ones who got all of the benefits from the independence. Because " the American leadership was less in need of English rule, the English more in need of the colonists wealth. The war had brought glory for the generals, ... Wealth for the merchants, unemployment for the poor (ordinary colonist). "( pg. 42) :)
Kristian Lopez
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The rich elites would benefit from the independence. Although colonists were realizing that the rich part of the population controlled the vast majority of the tax assets. Riots of both low and middle class citizens sparked across the nation, burning down houses and stealing their belongings, causing major resistance movement . With this in mind the only resisting were the poor who happened to have no voice , unlike the rich who had freedom to spare as well as cash . Buying off everything from politics to stealing .
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ReplyDeleteOn chapter four from Zinn book (A people's history of the United States) the rich were the ones who benefited from the independence. Because the British were the ones who had all of the control, they were the leaders, they were the ones who put so much taxes into the colonies, they provided lands, trade, money, better resources than the ordinary colonist. "The American leadership was less in need of English rule, the English more in need of wealth. The war had brought them glory for the generals ... Wealth for the merchants, unemployment for the poor." Pg.42
Yareli Herran Felix
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October 5,2015
Based on chapter four on the Zinn book, the elites were the ones who benefited from independence the most. They were able to take over land and political power from the British. In the book, it states “The rich, it turned out, could avoid the draft by paying for substitutes; the poor had to serve.”(pg.75)
This shows how the poor did not benefit from independence and how they served the rich under any circumstances.
I agree with Yareli because the rich elites were the ones who had control and power. They owned most of land and had the poor serve them. Unlike the poor they had no say to anything and it infuriated them however were incapable to do or say anything.
DeleteAngel Espinoza
ReplyDeleteThe rich people benefitted from the independence from the British . As the people say that the rich were able to get the poor people to bid . whether in a physical, political, or economic sense of way . This fact never changes after independence is won, the rich still have their power of the political situation at the time .
According to the reading in chapter 4 of the zin book, the rich, or ellites, were the ones who benefited from the independence. The ellites benefited from independe because they would take over profits, land, and even taxes whenever they felt like it. "..... They could take over land, profits, and political power from favorites of the British empire" this proves that the rich were always in control and the wealthy.
ReplyDeleteI agree with ulisses because the elites did have control over the poor colonists. His evidence is accurate to his statement. It proves that the rich were in control,gaining land, political power and other profits.
DeleteIn chapter 4 from the zinn book, the ones who benefited from the independence were the rich/elites. Therefore the elites got more land and taxes people too."the mobilization of lower class energy by upper class politicians"
ReplyDeleteBased on chapter 4 of the zinn book it was the rich elites who benefited from independence. The rich elites were able to take over land and gain much political power. Where it says "The rich turned out, could avoid the draft by paying for substitutes, the poor had to serve," explains an example on how the ordinary colonists had no say in what was going on and how unimportant they were compared to the rich.
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Based on the reading in chapter 4 I realized that the rich benefitted the most from independence. They took land and political power. Howard Zinn believed that the founding fathers were elites too which helped on the defeat of Britain. Rich found ways to avoid going to war while the poor had to serve. All of this cause conflicts between the poor and the rich elites.